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Post by PJS on Sept 2, 2004 0:23:54 GMT -5
I have been following Corean football since World Cup 2002 and still a great fan of the Team.
However I have been worrying for sometimes because of several reasons, especially this: Coach Bonfrere. Has he got what is takes to lead us? What do you guys think?
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Post by nyujeelandsaram on Sept 2, 2004 3:04:47 GMT -5
I have been following Corean football since World Cup 2002 and still a great fan of the Team. However I have been worrying for sometimes because of several reasons, especially this: Coach Bonfrere. Has he got what is takes to lead us? What do you guys think? I don't know enough about the guy personally but we probably won't know until after the WC campaign and probably after the WC itself for that matter (assuming Korea qualifies ). It's a very difficult job and in all honesty people shouldn't expect too much from the team. Last time Hiddink got an average bunch of footballers firing on all cylinders on home soil against some misfiring opposition (in the case of Portugal, Italy and Spain). Let's face it the team had some very good footballers in it but surely not many of them would have made the top 100 international footballers at the time. They played like a top team though. Next time round the team might not be as talented, they may not click and they will be on foreign soil with the opposition knowing not to take them too lightly.
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Post by PJS on Sept 2, 2004 4:01:02 GMT -5
I don't know enough about the guy personally but we probably won't know until after the WC campaign and probably after the WC itself for that matter (assuming Korea qualifies ). It's a very difficult job and in all honesty people shouldn't expect too much from the team. Last time Hiddink got an average bunch of footballers firing on all cylinders on home soil against some misfiring opposition (in the case of Portugal, Italy and Spain). Let's face it the team had some very good footballers in it but surely not many of them would have made the top 100 international footballers at the time. They played like a top team though. Next time round the team might not be as talented, they may not click and they will be on foreign soil with the opposition knowing not to take them too lightly. By the time he fails, it is already too late. I am afraid of this. btw, is Korea going to extend Hiddink's contract as Advisor? He has not done much for that role. Maybe he doesn't want to get misunderstandings with the current coach.
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Post by SteveW on Sept 2, 2004 6:24:58 GMT -5
I have been following Corean football since World Cup 2002 and still a great fan of the Team. However I have been worrying for sometimes because of several reasons, especially this: Coach Bonfrere. Has he got what is takes to lead us? What do you guys think? Well he seems to have little or no track record of success but I suppose we have to wait and see. As NJS says, SK have it tough from now on because they aren't the unknown underdogs anymore and they don't have the benefit of a home crowd. Having said that their form since the World Cup has been shocking and something is clearly wrong.
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Post by nyujeelandsaram on Sept 2, 2004 6:27:30 GMT -5
By the time he fails, it is already too late. I am afraid of this. Yeah but the question is. Is there an available coach in the world who could be successful with the team? I'm sure there are several who would get the guys going pretty well but when the best coaches in the world are either a) contracted or b) not interested then you can only go with those available who want the job. If he manages a couple of draws at the WC then I would say that would just about exceed my expectations, but not sure about other people. PJS what do you think the team is capable of in 2006?
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Post by SteveW on Sept 2, 2004 6:39:53 GMT -5
First they have to qualify!!!
How exactly does Asian Qualification work? I assume this is a preliminary round??
Remember that at the last World Cup Korea and Japan qualified automatically so there were 2 more Asian teams than normal..
..this time round Japan and China will be tough competition. And I assume that Iran, Saudi Arabia etc etc all go in the same Asian pot.
It could be tough for them.
If they do get there then it depends on the group they get. At 2002 they got a fairly reasonable selection of teams in USA, Poland and Portugal. That was the weakest group which is why I fancied USA and Korea to do OK.
If they end up in a group with Brazil, Uruguay and Morocco (for example) I wouldn't fancy their chances.
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Post by Holyjoe on Sept 2, 2004 9:04:08 GMT -5
According to the great folks at RSSSF.com, Asia has four qualifying slots and one play-off slot for 2006 however their later blurb seems to suggest there's only a maximum four sides that can qualify:
"Winners of each group [8 group stages that are playing out now] are divided over two groups of 4; the two winners of these are qualified directly while the two runners-up play off for the third direct qualifying place; the fourth-placed team plays the fourth team of North and Central America for a place."
The following teams are likely to end up in the final play-offs (going by first and seconds in groups right now):
Jordan/Iran Uzbekistan/Iraq Japan/Oman China/Kuwait UAE/North Korea Bahrain/Syria South Korea/Lebanon Saudi Arabia/Turkmenistan
Possible North/Central America play-off opponents: El Salvador, Panama, Jamaica, USA Canada, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Honduras Saint Kitts & Nevis, Mexico, Saint Vincent & the Grenadines, Trinidad & Tobago
Clear as mud.
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Post by nyujeelandsaram on Sept 2, 2004 9:18:40 GMT -5
I would not be at all surprised if South Korea doesn't qualify.
I'd put them about 50/50 based on results since the WC.
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Post by Holyjoe on Sept 2, 2004 9:26:17 GMT -5
However I have been worrying for sometimes because of several reasons, especially this: Coach Bonfrere. Has he got what is takes to lead us? What do you guys think? Really not sure... here's his track-record so far anyway: Coaching Career2004-Present: South Korea 2002-2003: Al Ahly (Egypt) 2002 - 2002 (Feb): Al Wehda (UAE) 2002: United Arab Emirates 2001: Al Wehda (UAE) 1999 (Aug) - 2001 (Apr): Nigeria 1999 - 1999 (Aug): Qatar 1998 - 1999: Al Wehda (UAE) 1997 - 1998: Qatar 1996: Nigeria U23 1990 - 1996: Nigeria/ assistant 1984 - 1990: MVV Maastricht (Netherlands) HonoursGolden Medal of the Olympic games in 1996 (Nigeria) Winner of the African Nations Cup in 1994 (assistant manager of Nigeria) Achievments2002: Defeated AS Roma in a historical match 2-1(Ahly) 11/08/2002 2000: Runner up of the African Nations Cup (Nigeria) 1992: Third place of the African Nations Cup (assistant Nigeria) 1990: Runner up of the African Nations Cup (assistant Nigeria)
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Post by SteveW on Sept 2, 2004 9:27:36 GMT -5
Is the play-off round seeded to avoid say Japan and KOrea being drawn together??
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Post by Holyjoe on Sept 2, 2004 9:49:50 GMT -5
Okay, figured it out: The 1st and 2nd teams in each of the final groups qualify automatically, and the 3rd placed sides in each group play off to face the North/Central American team. Can't find anything about seeding... it would be great if it was a straight draw; North Korea, South Korea, Japan and China could be interesting
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Post by PJS on Sept 3, 2004 0:25:47 GMT -5
If the current form continues, there will not be much hope. The last game in which Korea still had a world-class form was Korea-Argentina friendly match (June 2003). After that the form has dropped steadily.
I would say even little singapore could give the Korea team a good fight (which is worrying).
For WC 2006, will KFA stop the K-league in January (just like what Hiddink did) to gather, gel and toughen up the team ? I hope KFA will do this
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Post by nyujeelandsaram on Sept 3, 2004 5:26:23 GMT -5
The K-League doesn't start until early April so there's no need to worry about January.
I assume though that whoever has the reigns will be given whoever he wants for as long as he wants in the buildup.
Provided they qualified.
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Post by PJS on Sept 3, 2004 5:38:05 GMT -5
haha, I like this joke : provided they qualified If the players want, they can do it, just a matter of will
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Post by Holyjoe on Sept 3, 2004 8:30:57 GMT -5
For the K-league, I'd imagine they might go with a similar set-up to what we have this year.
The 2006 World Cup being in Germany means a mid-June kick-off instead of the end-of-May in 2002 (the opening game is on 9th June 2006, I think). I wouldn't be surprised to see the first section of the league played from mid-March until early May, and then a similar crappy cup competition during the World Cup month and the second section starting around August. They did exactly that in 1986 too to accomodate the World Cup; mind you, in 1994 they just stopped the league for two months, and in 1998 they played two cup competitions before the league started after the World Cup.
For qualification...ach I reckon they'll do just enough to make it there. What they actually will do in Germany is another matter.
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