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Post by SteveW on Oct 2, 2004 6:44:36 GMT -5
Seems to be doing pretty well in Japan .... just watching him now and he's scored twice in a 2-1 win against struggling Jubilo Iwata.
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Post by Holyjoe on Oct 2, 2004 21:23:50 GMT -5
Aye.. five J-League games, six goals. K-league career: Suwon: 16 games, 1 goal. Gwangju: 31 games, 3 goals. J-League must be crap then  |
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Post by toohyper on Oct 3, 2004 9:16:36 GMT -5
LOL, that is really interesting, Jo Jae Jin sucked for Gwangju and i assume sucked for Suwon (can't comment, didn't watch) but tearing it up in J-League.
K-League = Great
J-League= Garbage
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Post by SteveW on Oct 3, 2004 9:32:39 GMT -5
Or K-league coaches suck ass?  |
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Post by ironops on Oct 3, 2004 21:15:14 GMT -5
Or K-league coaches suck ass? Ahem.....on the subject of coaches, who, er, "suck ass", I give you Mr Osvaldo Ardiles, graduate of the university of relegation. The J-League can't get enough of him although back in England almost everything he touched went into freefall. Steve Perryman was also a big hit as a coach in Japan with Shimizu S-Pulse and Kashiwa Reysol but couldn't get anything when he went back to England. Anyone who supports Aston Villa or Celtic may remember Dr Josef Venglos. He'd been a bit of a disaster in Europe but also found a niche in the J-League. Case rested  Seriously though, it is noticeable in the J-League that of all the foreign nationalities represented, Korean players consistently are amongst the best performers, even sometimes when they weren't that impressive for their former K-league teams. One of the reasons is undoubtedly that many imports in Japan are has-beens (who in some cases never really were in the first place!), picking up their last big paycheque. Korean imports often tend to be younger players, not past their peak and happy to earn a lot more money without having to go to far from home. |
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Post by Holyjoe on Oct 3, 2004 21:23:12 GMT -5
Ossie Ardilles applied for the Aberdeen job back in 1999, but thankfully didn't get it... Just out of interest (and on an Aberdeen theme), how much do you know about Japanese football history? I'm sure both myself and SteveW would be interested in any information about Steve Paterson who played for Yomiuri Tokyo in the early 1980s - he was the first European player to head out to Japan. Apparently he was pretty famous out there, opening supermarkets etc... but during his time as Aberdeen manager he was famed more for opening bottles of beer...  |
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Post by SteveW on Oct 3, 2004 21:28:47 GMT -5
Ahem.....on the subject of coaches, who, er, "suck ass", I give you Mr Osvaldo Ardiles, graduate of the university of relegation. The J-League can't get enough of him although back in England almost everything he touched went into freefall. Steve Perryman was also a big hit as a coach in Japan with Shimizu S-Pulse and Kashiwa Reysol but couldn't get anything when he went back to England. Anyone who supports Aston Villa or Celtic may remember Dr Josef Venglos. He'd been a bit of a disaster in Europe but also found a niche in the J-League. Case rested Seriously though, it is noticeable in the J-League that of all the foreign nationalities represented, Korean players consistently are amongst the best performers, even sometimes when they weren't that impressive for their former K-league teams. One of the reasons is undoubtedly that many imports in Japan are has-beens (who in some cases never really were in the first place!), picking up their last big paycheque. Korean imports often tend to be younger players, not past their peak and happy to earn a lot more money without having to go to far from home. Case for the defence (or is it prosecution).... Ian Porterfield. A convicted drink driver who was famed for being crap in African Nations all over the continent. Mrs Cha.....kicked out the league then let back in to be rubbish after doing nothing in china for a while. None of them were considered better than Goldmember....etc etc |
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Post by ironops on Oct 4, 2004 0:05:03 GMT -5
Case for the defence (or is it prosecution).... Ian Porterfield. A convicted drink driver who was famed for being crap in African Nations all over the continent. Ah, yes. I was hoping you'd have forgotten about him or that we could get him ruled inadmissable as evidence ;D ;D I certainly think the K-League would benefit from greater foreign coach input but the J-League seems to get in pretty well anyone without much apparent thought. They've been some good'uns in Japan who've proved themselves elsewhere too (Arsene Wenger for example) but they're overwhelmingly outnumbered by the rubbish ones. If the K-League's overcaution means they don't waste money the kind of losers the J-League has had, it mightn't be the worst thing. Holyjoe, don't know a lot about that era in Japan as it's well pre J-League and also a long time before I set foot in the country. Yomiuri Tokyo have had various names throughout their 35 year history. They've also often had the name Verdy - now Tokyo Yomiuri Verdy although a few years ago they were Kawasaki Verdy. Although I don't know for certain as I was not around here at the time of Steve Paterson, I'd take stories of him being famous or a superstar in Japan with a huge pinch of salt. There were similar stories in Britain about Gary Lineker when he was here in the 90s. The reality was that he wasn't regarded as anything special here at all, just being one of many highly paid foreigners at the end of their careers. As well as being extremely crap when he played for Nagoya, he didn't pick up much Japanese nor give any impression of any commitment to Japanese football. |
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Post by SteveW on Oct 4, 2004 3:53:05 GMT -5
Can't blame anyone for not learning Japanese ... its too bloody hard!!! Was going to comment further on the fact that no K-League boss was considered for the Korean job but then realised that its pretty common. Don't think any SPL boss was considered for the Scotland job and even in England there weren't many serious EPL candidates when Sven got appointed. Is this just the result of a few high profile foreign bosses at World Cups?? I think everyone forgets the number of foreign coaches who take over countries and lead them nowhere.......eh Porterfield? |
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Post by ironops on Oct 4, 2004 8:08:51 GMT -5
Can't blame anyone for not learning Japanese ... its too bloody hard!!! It's not that hard to pick it up to a decent conversational standard, especially if you've got the free time of a professional footballer. Pierre Littbarski managed it! I agree that if he was only going to be here for a year it's understandable not to bust too much of a gut learning the language. My real point though is that people back home were fed this 'our Gary's so popular out there, he's a hero and he even speaks the language'. (This happened also when he was in Spain.) But it was boolox as he couldn't speak Japanese or Spanish hardly at all and wasn't a hero. I guess most countries' media write these stories praising the impact of their boys abroad regardless of whether they're true or not. |
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Post by Holyjoe on Oct 4, 2004 21:22:56 GMT -5
Aye, you're probably right about Steve Paterson... I bet he was about as famous with the Japanese as Steven Tweed is right now there |
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