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Post by Holyjoe on Oct 1, 2004 19:52:23 GMT -5
Has he played a game for Manure yet? Aye, scored a hat-trick on his debut in the Champions League against Fenerbahce.
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Post by nyujeelandsaram on Oct 1, 2004 22:34:18 GMT -5
And it was one of the better hattricks you'll see as well.
All 3 goals were either outside or right on the edge of the box, sweetly struck and weren't deflected. He's a goodin alright.
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Post by meat on Oct 5, 2004 23:16:19 GMT -5
Rooney. My oh my, what could have been...
...he's yesterdays news though as far as i (as an evertonian) am concerned. for all of his god-given, genius soccer skills, his massive transfer fee and subsequent wages - he's proven himself to be worthless.
he's a sellout, a phony, a glory-boy, a lost soul. i think poor wayne is also a soft touch...he's been pushed around by his agents, and obviously cannot think for himself anyways - a good example is that old grandma that he paid to have sex with.
...the new life that he has chosen away from Goodison park and the Everton faithful will be a tough one...he may pick up domestic and european trophys/medals left, right and centre and...but whats that old saying...''money cant buy you love'.??...the boy is now detested on merseyside - on virtually every bridge out of the city there is graffiti telling wayne to f**k off. this is his hometown - its part of who he is. all thats now gone.
his family and freinds are now isolated from the blue brethen from whence they came, and his girlfreind, well how many more revelations can she take now that Sun see it as there national duty to inform the retard public of every possible piece of gossip concerning the Boy.
he will be lost without Everton, his only option now is to wrap himself up in a millionaires cocoon, away from the peole who loved him, and amongst the scum that seek to exploit him.
no doubt wayne will only get better as a player, as he seeks to hide away from this groteseque life that he has created away from the football pitch, as it is there, and only there that he can seek solace - but still, even that must mean less to him these days - im sure wearing the man utd shirt and celebrating with strangers must leave a pretty empty feeling in his stomach.
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Post by nyujeelandsaram on Oct 6, 2004 3:44:55 GMT -5
So you guys will gladly resign him when he's 35 to finish his playing days then.
If he sets foot near your lot what are his chances of survival?
While I can relate to the disappointment of Everton fans (well maybe I can't) I really can't see how it's so wicked. He's 18 years old at the start of his career, not a 25 year old who's been on the scene for several years.
Many players change clubs without much fuss.
He wants to make a lot of money and be showered in glory like most footballers. he got the chance to move because he's good and most people out there abusing him would quite possibly have done the same thing in the same situation.
Just my take on it.
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Post by ironops on Oct 6, 2004 9:18:12 GMT -5
I think Everton fans probably struggle to make much objective comment about Rooney. That's NOT meant as a dig at Evertonians, just that when you have such an emotional attachment to the issue you ain't gonna be in the mood for objectivity. I'm sure fans of other teams would be the same in similar circumstances.
But meat makes a point I totally agree with; Rooney seems totally under the control of others and devoid of the nous to take control of things for himself. Not being an Everton fan, I wouldn't go as far as to say he'll be "lost" without Everton but he certainly couldn't have messed up the way he left any worse than he did. For a start, he could've found a way to much more 'acceptable' club than United. And it's not really that hard for someone who is a hero at one club to manage to leave that club in circumstances that avoid too much bad feeling. There are certain things you say even if you don't actually mean them, and certain things you avoid saying even if you think them.
I feel a little sympathy for him (not much though) as he's undoubtedly been told to say stuff by his advisers and it's him that's had to bear the brunt of unpopularity as a result, not the people telling him what to do, and the poor kid is just too thick, too easily led to realise.
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Post by nyujeelandsaram on Oct 7, 2004 6:54:14 GMT -5
Yeah but who would have paid the kind of money that Man U offered?
Everton were willing to pay a tidy sum to keep him, but they are one of the better off clubs around. Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal are about the only other teams that can offer a lot more.
Maybe Newcastle and Liverpool but if they don't want the guy then whats he to do?
He could have looked abroad but maybe at 18 he doesn't want to go abroad basically on his own.
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Post by ironops on Oct 7, 2004 9:20:46 GMT -5
I don't think many now unhappy with him would buy any suggestion that Man U was his only option. Newcastle apparently wanted him and they, or pretty much any other top team would've been paying him astronomical wages. Given his status now, it would've have been well feasible for him to pressure his agents to engineer other possible moves, equally as attractive.
Sure, there are plenty of good reasons to go for ManU but if not burning too many hometown bridges was something he was bothered about he could have chosen a lot better. Maybe he wasn't that bothered.
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Post by mikey on Oct 7, 2004 9:42:27 GMT -5
well i guess he wasn't bothered. well.. perhaps one day 25 years from now when is too old to play but too young to die he will have a sudden moment of clarity about his life. he never did score the winner at the kop end in the merseyside derby. but who am i kidding
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Post by SteveW on Oct 7, 2004 10:01:57 GMT -5
well i guess he wasn't bothered. well.. perhaps one day 25 years from now when is too old to play but too young to die he will have a sudden moment of clarity about his life. he never did score the winner at the kop end in the merseyside derby. but who am i kidding I don't know what your job is but if someone offered you a shedload of money to do it for the biggest company in that industry in the world you'd probably say 'aye, ok' wouldn't you? Rooney strikes me as the kind of guy whos only got a couple of seasons max at the top anyway.
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Post by nyujeelandsaram on Oct 7, 2004 17:12:03 GMT -5
If his options came down to Newcastle v Man U and he wants a few trophies in his career then he's really only got one choice.
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Post by ironops on Oct 7, 2004 18:47:12 GMT -5
If his options came down to Newcastle v Man U and he wants a few trophies in his career then he's really only got one choice. Sure, I can't see Newcastle winning much very soon. But as this summer probably the hottest property (excuse the crap cliche - brain not awake yet )amongst young players in Europe if he wanted a move from Everton then I find totally impossible to believe that his agents could find him no other options than those two. But that's the point really, it was a deal many suspect was engineered primarily for the benefit of Proactive Sports.
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Post by nyujeelandsaram on Oct 7, 2004 21:28:34 GMT -5
He could have gone to any team in the world I'm sure.
But once again, it comes down to how much money does he want, how much money does his agent think they can get, and how good is the team he's going to.
If he didn't want to go abroad then you are down to 20 teams to choose from.
If 15 of them aren't offering anywhere near what Man U were offering then that leaves 4 (discounting Everton).
You see my drift?....
At the end of the day he wants to play for a massive team, get great service from the midfield, score shed loads of goals, lift trophies, make money... who wouldn't?
I follow Newcastle and while they have a very good team they are no Man U and won't be this season and who knows beyond that.
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Post by SteveW on Oct 7, 2004 21:42:43 GMT -5
Sure, I can't see Newcastle winning much very soon. But as this summer probably the hottest property (excuse the crap cliche - brain not awake yet )amongst young players in Europe if he wanted a move from Everton then I find totally impossible to believe that his agents could find him no other options than those two. But that's the point really, it was a deal many suspect was engineered primarily for the benefit of Proactive Sports. I didn't see much interest in him outside of the EPL which could be based on a few things: 1) Not many clubs can afford or are willing to pay inflated EPL fees 2) He didn't want to go abroad 3) He's not as good as the media think he is. 4) Taking a teenager from Everton is a big gamble for most foreign clubs.
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Post by nyujeelandsaram on Oct 7, 2004 21:57:10 GMT -5
I've just noticed that I've essentially made the same point about three times. I'm going to have to stop now.
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Post by ironops on Oct 8, 2004 3:42:15 GMT -5
I didn't see much interest in him outside of the EPL which could be based on a few things: 1) Not many clubs can afford or are willing to pay inflated EPL fees 2) He didn't want to go abroad 3) He's not as good as the media think he is. 4) Taking a teenager from Everton is a big gamble for most foreign clubs. I think all those are true or very likely. But I very much suspect they're all dwarfed by THE key factor and reason why there wasn't any real interest from elsewhere: this was a transfer totally brought about by, and always under the control of, a certain, er, sports management company based in NW England. And surprise, surprise said company has rather strong links (such as people at those clubs holding shares in it) with both ManU and Newcastle. Lots of football transfers in England are well dodgy. I could send people into a coma by going on at length, but as a good starting point as a look into this very nasty can of worms I'd recommend a book called "Broken Dreams" written by the same guy who exposed Robert Maxwell's dodgy dealings.
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