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Post by nyujeelandsaram on Jan 5, 2005 8:07:21 GMT -5
NJS, Top league experience is something invaluable for any player, even if he's riding the bench. The level of the K-league is much much lower than any top league in major european countries. And I'm not just talking about the "football ability" of the players. It's about the professionalism of the entire operation. The football "atmosphere" in those leagues is what gives players that intangible mental growth, that turns good players into stars. I guess the proof will be in the pudding when these Koreans poncing about in Europe actually start playing better than the young K-League guys that are about to replace them all in the full national team
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Post by SteveW on Jan 5, 2005 8:23:28 GMT -5
With regards to koreans playing abroad I think getting experience in big teams in big leagues will make them much better players.
Unfortunately some of them have Scotland-itis where they end up being bit-part players for middle-of-the-road teams and their career stalls as a result.
I have to disagree with Colombian if he says that the South Americans in the K-League are top quality. They may score a few goals or whatever but in real terms the vast majority of them are far off being great players. Most of them are very average. Worse still, they have a tendency to come and go within about 6 months.
Aussies....well, there have been some pretty good players come out of Australia in the past few years and generally the sports facilities down there are good so they should produce more talent in the future but they don't have a decent league to play in at home.
There are more Aussies playing in Europe than Koreans I would imagine and their NT is comparable to a mid-order European team.
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Post by Colombian on Jan 5, 2005 9:41:40 GMT -5
I have to disagree with Colombian if he says that the South Americans in the K-League are top quality. They may score a few goals or whatever but in real terms the vast majority of them are far off being great players. Most of them are very average. Worse still, they have a tendency to come and go within about 6 months. Naturally, not ALL of the S Americans are succesful here, but if you look at the category they are supposd to excell in- scoring goals, you'll see that ever since they started bringing them, the top goalscorers are mostly brazilians. Someone pointed out that in the first half of last season the first korean-socred goal came after the 5th or 6th week. I agree they are not great players, but in most k-league teams their 6 month brazilian striker is better than any domestic forwards they have available. And that's what has to be consireded. not how good they are compared to euro-based brazilians, but how much they improve on what the k-league team has available. You wanna know when the k-league will get better foreign strikers? simple. when the domestic strikers are of a such a good level that the foreign mediocrecies would not be good enough.
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Post by nyujeelandsaram on Jan 5, 2005 11:47:01 GMT -5
I guess it doesn't help when the small handful of Korean 'goalscorers' they do have are overseas.
Namely Seol Gi-hyeon, Lee Chon-su, Park Ji-song, Ahn Jung-hwan, Cha Du-ri...
I'm not sure that many of them would be featuring in the top 10 scoring charts even if they were playing up front in the K-League though.
With the South American influence in Korea I think it's good for the game to get guys over here that can help produce 2-1 scorelines when if it was up to the locals it'd be all 0-0, 1-0, 1-1 scorelines week after week for the most part.
Also I'm not suggesting that Aussies take over from the South Americans. There simply aren't enough of them. But I can see it being a useful place to come for maybe 3 or 4 a season.
Korea needs to stop decent players going to Japan though. The standard is no better and arguably slightly worse just going by regional club results. They are only going there for money. Nothing much can be done about it though really except to get more money in the game here.
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Post by nyujeelandsaram on Jan 5, 2005 12:13:19 GMT -5
According to this site: www.australiansoccer.com.au/public/Contact/aussiesabroadlist.asp?categoryid=24&menuItemID=57there are 145 Australians playing in professional leagues around the world. Including 13 in the EPL (37 in 1st division teams and lower) 2 in the Bundesliga 2 in Serie A 1 in La Liga 4 in Eredivisie plus others in their lower divisions. and players at Panathinaikos, Trabzonspor (home of one Lee Eul-yong, Anderlecht (former home of Seol Gi-hyeon), PSV (current home of Lee Yong-pyo and Park Ji-song) plus every crappy Scottish team you can think of .....except Aberdeen.
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Post by SteveW on Jan 5, 2005 12:15:16 GMT -5
Naturally, not ALL of the S Americans are succesful here, but if you look at the category they are supposd to excell in- scoring goals, you'll see that ever since they started bringing them, the top goalscorers are mostly brazilians. Someone pointed out that in the first half of last season the first korean-socred goal came after the 5th or 6th week. I agree they are not great players, but in most k-league teams their 6 month brazilian striker is better than any domestic forwards they have available. And that's what has to be consireded. not how good they are compared to euro-based brazilians, but how much they improve on what the k-league team has available. You wanna know when the k-league will get better foreign strikers? simple. when the domestic strikers are of a such a good level that the foreign mediocrecies would not be good enough. Not sure I'm following that logic....most teams play South Americans up front so it stands to reason they will score more goals than anyone else....since nobody else is getting a chance. The point is not whether the players they bring in are capable of scoring 8 - 10 goals a season its whether they are helping the league as a whole and whether they are providing value for money. Certain Scottish teams had a habit of recruiting mediocre South americans for a while but they had the same problems. Start well, fade away, want to leave, etc. Constant turnover doesn't help the team nor does having a load of players that people don't recognise help the league.
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Post by Holyjoe on Jan 6, 2005 16:30:44 GMT -5
Kim Nam-il Suwon favourites, with FC Seoul, Pohang and Incheon all interested in case something goes wrong.
Yoo Sang-chul Suwon and Ulsan interested.
Ahn Hyo-yun Suwon, Busan and FC Seoul all reported to be interested.
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Post by Colombian on Jan 6, 2005 20:53:06 GMT -5
I'cons is doing all it can to keep Ahn here. but Suwon can outbid any other k-leauge team, unfortunately. so if he stays here, it'll be out of loyalty to the coach who resurrected his carrer, and not because of money...
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Post by nyujeelandsaram on Jan 6, 2005 21:07:47 GMT -5
I'cons is doing all it can to keep Ahn here. but Suwon can outbid any other k-leauge team, unfortunately. so if he stays here, it'll be out of loyalty to the coach who resurrected his carrer, and not because of money... Muhahahahaha He's as good as gone then
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Post by Holyjoe on Jan 8, 2005 15:01:16 GMT -5
Argentine internationals Marcelo Daniel Gallardo and Diego Simeone (he of 'David Beckham petulant kick' fame) are both rumoured to be heading to the K-League in 2005, so some Argentine football agent company is claiming. No team names mentioned, but Suwon must be involved in there somewhere if this is true...
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Post by toohyper on Jan 8, 2005 16:02:55 GMT -5
Argentine internationals Marcelo Daniel Gallardo and Diego Simeone (he of 'David Beckham petulant kick' fame) are both rumoured to be heading to the K-League in 2005, so some Argentine football agent company is claiming. No team names mentioned, but Suwon must be involved in there somewhere if this is true... I think these two are the ones Colombian was talking bout before, i remember him saying an Argentine footballer with pretty good track record will be coming here...So I guess Busan might be in the race to get these two argentine players...
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Post by SteveW on Jan 8, 2005 18:44:55 GMT -5
Haha...Simeone would be class. Hope he comes to Suwon.
Cue 'We hate Beckham more than you' chants!!
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Post by SteveW on Jan 8, 2005 18:49:16 GMT -5
Haha...Simeone would be class. Hope he comes to Suwon.
Cue 'We hate Beckham more than you' chants!!
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Post by Colombian on Jan 9, 2005 0:14:28 GMT -5
sorry, neither one of those are coming here. were getting a young guy. that's the new policy around here. but i'l love to see them in the league.
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Post by Colombian on Jan 9, 2005 1:22:08 GMT -5
Simeone signed a one year contract with Racing Club, Argentina on december 21st, and he debuted yesterday...
Gallardo signed a 3 year contract with River Plate a few weeks ago, so he's also spoken for.
where did you hear those rumors? cause it seems to be off....
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