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Post by nyujeelandsaram on Sept 1, 2004 3:32:08 GMT -5
The foreign goalies who came to the K-League were just so good that they made up for their lack of communication skills. That and the fact our players couldn't hit the side of a barn yard. True enough. Maybe the solution to the Korean strikers woes is to ban goalkeepers altogether here. At least that way they would build up confidence by scoring 1 or 2 goals again between them ;D
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Post by SteveW on Sept 1, 2004 5:09:41 GMT -5
I've yet to spot a weakness in his game. Losing a shedload of goals in the Olympics seemed quite a weakness although maybe not necessarily the keeper's fault.
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Post by Ed. on Sept 1, 2004 5:40:17 GMT -5
He wasn't at fault of any of them. At a stretch you could say maybe he could have got across quicker for Parguay's second, but it shaved the inside of the post. I'm less inclined to pardon Kim Chi-gon (slow and flatfooted), Cho Byung-kuk (spends a remarkable amount of time watching opposing attackers playing, rather than doing anything about it), and for Paraguay's opener, Yoo Sang-chul (Wafty tackles of the year candidate).
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Post by PJS on Sept 4, 2004 1:58:40 GMT -5
How about Choi Sung Kuk and Choi Taek Uk? didn't play much in Athens.
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Post by nyujeelandsaram on Sept 4, 2004 6:43:09 GMT -5
I really enjoy watching Choi Song-guk play. He's a bundle of pretty skillful energy. Don't know if he's got the size (muhahaha ) or physical strength to do well against bigger opponents in Europe but I suppose he could do ok in a weaker league. Choi Tae-uk always annoyed the hell out of me at Anyang. He played over a hundred games and knocked in about 4 goals for us (not that he was playing up front mind) but when he played nat. games he seemed to score crackers every third game. He doesn't seem to either be interested or be given enough freedom in club footie. Maybe a big match player?
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Post by Holyjoe on Sept 4, 2004 21:15:18 GMT -5
Yeah, Choi Tae-uk's scoring record domestically isn't really that great:
This season at Incheon he's got 2 goals from 12 games, and 6 for Anyang in 105 matches. 26 full caps and 4 goals isn't that great either, but then it depends on where he was deployed...
Would he even be at Incheon if he didn't own part of the club, anyway?
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Post by nyujeelandsaram on Sept 4, 2004 22:52:02 GMT -5
He's scored 10 goals for the Olympic team as well fom 30 odd games which includes some of the screamers I have in my head. So it's something like 8 goals from 117 domestic games and 14 from about 55 rep games. Including a hat-trick against Paraguay
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Post by ironops on Sept 21, 2004 11:46:21 GMT -5
Only quickly scanned the above, so apologies if I'm repeating what someone else said.
Kim Nam-Il was actually a bit unlucky not to get taken on by West Ham the season before last. He was there on trial for a while and apparently the then manager, Glen Roeder, was quite impressed with him. However, unluckily for Kim Nam-Il, right at the same time Lee Bowyer became available to West Ham on a fairly cheap deal. Obviously, given the choice of an English player established already and moreover a fan of the team as a kid, and a good but still potentially risky Korean import, for the same position in the team then they were always going to go for Bowyer.
Roeder did say he thought Kim Nam-Il had been unlucky with the timing of this all happening but reckoned he'd definitely get sorted somewhere else in Europe. He didn't though and I'm not sure exactly why.
Hopefully, Seol will start getting a bit of attention in England, which will encourage a few more people to look in this direction.
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Post by toohyper on Sept 21, 2004 12:53:32 GMT -5
Choe Song Guk...amazing player like some people mention here.
What bout Jung Jo Guk from Seoul? Still Young and talented.
And i'm sure there must be someone from Suwon (Other than Jo Byeong Guk) that could play in Europe, they always seem to have few talented players. Maybe Kim Do Hyun?
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Post by Colombian on Sept 21, 2004 20:29:42 GMT -5
Young Kwan won't go to Europe, amogst other reasons, becuase so many of the smaller leagues have few non-EU player spots, and no team wants to burn one of those on a young unproven GK. He really doesn't have the size for England, being quite a skinny-thin shouldered player. He'd just bounce right off those big European post players on crosses. Communication problems are a HUGE deal; you really can't compare a Korean player going abroad to a a foreigner coming here. Every korean player here has at least a rudimentary command of 'football english' and is used to talking to foreigners in it, so those foreigners can get along easy. However, no one in Europe knows any korean. And many players have no engish at all, nullifying the korean's english ability.
On other players, I think Lee Dong-Guk has a shot; he had bad luck by being out of form before the World Cup and getting dropped by Hiddink; then he went into the Army team, where there's no chance to shine at all. But he has the skill, size, and mentality to achieve respectable results in europe. I would take him over Ahn, Lee Chun Soo or Seol any day.
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Post by Holyjoe on Sept 21, 2004 21:23:34 GMT -5
And i'm sure there must be someone from Suwon (Other than Jo Byeong Guk) that could play in Europe, they always seem to have few talented players. Maybe Kim Do Hyun? I reckon Choi Sung-yong might fancy his chances in Europe again. He's almost 29 now and it would be probably his last shot at going over there. Failing that, Mrs. Choi might persuade him to head back over to Japan. What about that spritely young talent Ko Jong-soo, he could be a star
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Post by SteveW on Sept 22, 2004 2:42:57 GMT -5
I reckon Choi Sung-yong might fancy his chances in Europe again. He's almost 29 now and it would be probably his last shot at going over there. Failing that, Mrs. Choi might persuade him to head back over to Japan. What about that spritely young talent Ko Jong-soo, he could be a star Can't see Choi getting to Europe when Mrs Cha won't even put him in the Suwon team. Ditto Go So Young. Go would be a cracking player for the dandies though....exacly the kind of Jess, Hignett, Zero timewaster we're missing.
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Post by Ed. on Sept 22, 2004 3:33:20 GMT -5
Lee Dong-gook didn't lose form before the World Cup - he was playing as well as he ever did, which against the stronger sides they were playing friendlies against at the time showed Hiddink that he wasn't going to make an impression at the World Cup. Much as I hate to say it, because I like the lad, I think he's one of those players who'll stand out up to a certain level, but is lacking something to make the breakthrough.
He was a bit unlucky at Bremen, in fairness - just after he arrived, Ailton and Pizarro (the two strikers) really caught fire. But I think the 2000 Asian Cup ruined him. Huh Jung-moo insisted on playing him despite two banjaxed knees, and he's always lacked a bit of speed since.
One member of the 2002 World Cup coaching staff told me I'm wrong about that, and that the main reason he was left out of the final 23 was that they couldn't get him to understand his role in the side. Said he was constantly out of position, and nothing they tried worked.
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Post by mikey on Sept 22, 2004 6:39:57 GMT -5
kim dong jin.
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Post by Ed. on Sept 22, 2004 6:57:34 GMT -5
I'm with you on that. He has the talent, if he can keep up the intensity for more than 50 minutes, a major issue with many Korean players. A large part of the problem is the K-League itself, where teams let each other away with playing at walking pace half the time. I remember Hiddink's reaction to his first K-League match, which stunned a lot of locals who reckoned "Korean footballers are very fast and fit but need to learn the skills of European players." ;D I know one coach (not a head coach - surprise) who said he reckons the problem is that the players are always half-knackered from too much physical training, so that they're fit in general terms, but are never ticking over at 100%-ready-to-go on match day.
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