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Post by SteveW on Aug 26, 2004 9:46:13 GMT -5
After a burst of activity (admittedly mostly Hiddink snapping up a few members of the world cup squad) seems like the flow of players to Europe has dried up.
Do we reckon anyone will be breaking through and moving into a decent league (or even the SPL?)
Off the top of my head I can't think of anyone in the K-League that really looks good enough.
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Post by bhercules on Aug 26, 2004 10:19:33 GMT -5
in my dailly trek to football in korea in my quest for knowledge This new forum is quite exciting... it equates to the moon landings or something.
despite his currently gammy leg surely Kim Nam-il should get a shot in Europe at some stage.
oh and that Seol Ki-hyun (i think thats him) who plays for Anderlecht is off to Wolves maybe... good luck with that I lived in wolves for three years whilst "studying" My university made up part of Molyneux... anyways. He should be ok the championships a bit fast and furious, would suit him i think
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Post by Hanjin on Aug 31, 2004 3:30:12 GMT -5
i wouldnt be suprised if Kim Young Kwang goes to europe i think he is one heck of a keeper.
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Post by SteveW on Aug 31, 2004 6:19:42 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if any Korean keeper went to Europe ... they don't have much of a reputation (which might not be right but its how they are thought of)
If Lee Woon Jae never made it then I doubt anyone else will.
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Post by SteveW on Aug 31, 2004 6:22:50 GMT -5
in my dailly trek to football in korea in my quest for knowledge This new forum is quite exciting... it equates to the moon landings or something. despite his currently gammy leg surely Kim Nam-il should get a shot in Europe at some stage. oh and that Seol Ki-hyun (i think thats him) who plays for Anderlecht is off to Wolves maybe... good luck with that I lived in wolves for three years whilst "studying" My university made up part of Molyneux... anyways. He should be ok the championships a bit fast and furious, would suit him i think btw... Kim Nam Il already had a shot at Europe...he played in the Dutch League for ... erm.... Excelsior? Heracles? I forget....it one of the smaller teams anyway. I think they got relegated and he got sent back pretty quickly. Hopefully Marcel or Nadson will sign for Rangers soon. They're both crap enough. |
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Post by bhercules on Aug 31, 2004 8:15:52 GMT -5
btw... Kim Nam Il already had a shot at Europe...he played in the Dutch League for ... erm.... Excelsior? Heracles? I forget....it one of the smaller teams anyway. . ah well at least he gave it ago... no harm in trying |
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Post by Hanjin on Aug 31, 2004 8:43:17 GMT -5
Kim young kwang is one heck of a keeper in some ways i reackon he is better than lee woon jae his made some saves lee woon jae could only dream of.
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Post by Holyjoe on Aug 31, 2004 8:58:33 GMT -5
Kim young kwang is one heck of a keeper in some ways i reackon he is better than lee woon jae his made some saves lee woon jae could only dream of. I'm starting to think that Lee Woon-jae is losing his touch a wee bit... it won't be long before he's deposed as Korean number one by Kim Young-kwan. Indeed, if Kim Dae-hwan could get a bit more composure into his game then he could be good for giving Lee a run for the Suwon jersey. He looked reasonably okay during the cup matches he played in. Kim Nam-il was contracted to PSV but on loan to Excelsior, was he not? Something like that... |
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Post by redneck13 on Aug 31, 2004 9:03:25 GMT -5
Kim Nam-il was contracted with Feyenoord but there was no space in midfield for him so they loaned him out to Exelsior which is their feeder club.
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Post by SteveW on Aug 31, 2004 9:50:13 GMT -5
Kim young kwang is one heck of a keeper in some ways i reackon he is better than lee woon jae his made some saves lee woon jae could only dream of. He might well be a great keeper I just don't see any Euro team gambling on an Asian keeper. Lee Woon Jae has been consistently the #1 for umpteen years and he never got a sniff of interest. Really can't see anyone taking on a young keeper from Korea ... unless there is some current Korean connection that helps or unless he makes some kind of big splash in a major competition (i.e. the World Cup) |
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Post by Ed. on Aug 31, 2004 12:27:25 GMT -5
I'm also doubtful about European clubs picking Kim Young-gwang, for no other reason than prejudice. The lad's an outstanding keeper. I've yet to spot a weakness in his game. The only thing I want is to see him get a couple of seasons against some hard bastard European forwards to toughen him up on crosses - once he gets that down, he's right up there.
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Post by redneck13 on Aug 31, 2004 13:53:17 GMT -5
The MAIN problem with having a Korean goalkeeper is communication. Now most European goalkeepers, even foreign ones, grew up with full awareness of other languages and so the concept of learning a new language isn't too odd for them.
For Brazilians, playing in Spain, Italy or Portugal isn't a huge problem because Portuguese is closely related to Spanish and Italian.
However, Korean isn't related to any European language, and our guys aren't raised with awareness of learning other languages.
This makes their adaptability rather low and if their communication skills don't improve dramatically, they will be a disaster in the box.
The one position where communication is absolutely crucial is goalkeeping. They need to call out to the defenders at various times to organize the defense. However, if our Young-kwang cannot do that, he's basically useless. Even if he can make a lot of good saves, he will concede many because he can't organize the defense because of language problems.
This is why Korean goalies aren't in demand abroad. Remember Yoshikatsu Kawaguchi? Didn't turn out very good for him either.
Plus, no matter how good our goalkeeper his, it's not like they cannot find a European goalie that's just as good, if not better than he is.
Good luck to him but to be honest, I really don't know if a goalie's move abroad is even a good thing because simply we cannot risk him not playing games.
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Post by nyujeelandsaram on Aug 31, 2004 21:10:58 GMT -5
Well old golden gloves at Anyang and now FC Seould was one of the outstanding keepers in the league was he not? I assume that his Korean was non-existent when he came here. Also HJ might be able to help me out here when I say that foreign goalkeepers were eventually banned from Korea because they were too good. Again I'd be surprised if any of them knew a solitary word when they arrived. Not sure how long it takes to learn basic expressions to get your defenders to move. I can get my kids to move in the classroom pretty quickly  |
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Post by Holyjoe on Aug 31, 2004 21:42:34 GMT -5
Kawaguchi's adapting himself to life in Denmark now... his nosediving career is more to do with Portsmouth signing him as a marketing tool rather than as a goalkeeper.
On NJS's point, these are the foreign player lists for the K-league clubs in 1996:
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Ilhwa Chunma
°Õ³ªµð ½ºÅ×Æij׽ÃŲ ÀÏÈ df ·¯½Ã¾Æ<br>·ùºñ»þ ¶õÄÚºñÄ¡ ÀÏÈ mf À¯°í<br>³×³ªµå ³íÄÚºñÄ¡ ÀÏÈ mf À¯°í<br>»ç¸®Ã¼ÇÁ ÀÏÈ gk ·¯½Ã¾Æ<br><br>Yukong Elephants (Bucheon)
ºÎ¸£µò ¼¼¸£°ÔÀÌ À¯°ø fw ·¯½Ã¾Æ<br>º¸¸®½º Æ®·ÎÆij×Ã÷ À¯°ø mf ·¯½Ã¾Æ<br>Ã÷Ä¡°ñ·¹ÇÁ ¾Ë·º¼¼ÀÌ À¯°ø df ·¯½Ã¾Æ<br>»þ»þ À¯°ø gk ·¯½Ã¾Æ<br>Á¶¼Á À¯°ø mf Çë°¡¸®
Suwon Samsung
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Anyang LG
¼¼¸£°ÔÀÌ ½ºÄ«Ã¾ÄÚ lg fw ¿ìÅ©¶óÀ̳ª<br>Àú½ºÆ¾ įÆ÷½º lg mf ÄÚ½ºÅ¸¸®Ä«
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Pohang Steelers
º¸±×´Ù³ëºñÄ¡ ¶óµ¥ Æ÷Ç× fw À¯°í<br>Åä´Ï¿ä Æ÷Ç× mf ºê¶óÁú<br>¿ù½¼ ¸¶½Ã¾Æ´Ï Æ÷Ç× df ¿¡Äâµµ¸£<br>½Ã¸ó Å©·ç´ÏÄ¡ Æ÷Ç× mf À¯°í<br>µå¶ó°£ Æ÷Ç× gk ¸óÅ׳ױ׷Î<br>
Ulsan Hyundai
µÎ¸®½ÃÄ¡ Á¶¶õ Çö´ë fw À¯°í<br>¿À½ºÄ« ¼¼·¹¼Ò Çö´ë gk ¿¡Äâµµ¸£<br>¾ÆÁö¸¶ Çö´ë mf ÀÌÁýÆ®
Áö¿À¹Ý´Ï ÀÜ´Ì Çö´ë fw ¸ð¸®¼Å½º<br>ºê¶ûÄÚ Çö´ë mf À¯°í<br>
Chunnam Dragons
¹ß·¹¸® ½Ã¸¶·ÎÇÁ Àü³² fw ·¯½Ã¾Æ<br>¾Èµå·¹ÀÌ Àü³² df ¿ìÅ©¶óÀ̳ª<br>Ç츣³ µð¾ÆÁî Àü³² fw ¿¡Äâµµ¸£<br>¿¹ºê°Ô´Ï Äí½º³×¼ÒÇÁ Àü³² mf ·¯½Ã¾Æ<br><br>Cheonbuk
ÀòÄÚ ¼Òº¸ºê ÀüºÏ mf ¸¶Äɵµ´Ï¾Æ<br>¹ß¶û°¡ ±¸½ºÅ¸ºê ÀüºÏ fw Ä«¸Þ·é<br>¾Ë·º¼¼ÀÌ ÇÁ·çµå´ÏÄÚÇÁ ÀüºÏ gk ·¯½Ã¾Æ<br>¹ÙÅ»¸® ¾Ë·º¼¼ÀÌ ÀüºÏ fw ¿ìÅ©¶óÀ̳ª<br>
Daewoo Royals (Busan)
Å»·çÄÚºñÄ¡ ¾Æ¹Ì¸£ ´ë¿ì mf º¸½º´Ï¾Æ<br>¸¶´ÏÄ¡ ¶óµ¥º¸Á¶ ´ë¿ì fw À¯°í<br>Àϸ®Ä¡ ´ë¿ì gk ¸¶Äɵµ´Ï¾Æ<br>µå¶óŧ¸®Ä¡ »þ»þ ´ë¿ì fw À¯°í<br>
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Goalies:
Valeri Sarychev (Russia) - Ilhwa Chunma
Sasa (Russia) - Yukong Elephants
Henrik Jorgensen (Denmark) - Suwon Samsung
Vladimir Savchenko (Ukraine) - Anyang LG
Dragan Skrba (Montenegro) - Pohang
Oscar Cerezo (Ecuador) - Ulsan
Alexei Proudnikov (Russia) - Cheonbuk
Sasa Ilik (Macedonia) - Daewoo Royals
That left Chunnam as the only club back then without a foreign goalie...
Interesting to look at the demographics too... 10 Russians, only 2 Brazilians... and Manic, Denis and grandad still kicking around in the league.
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Post by redneck13 on Aug 31, 2004 22:49:24 GMT -5
I think there's a huge difference between K-League and most top level European leagues.
The foreign goalies who came to the K-League were just so good that they made up for their lack of communication skills. That and the fact our players couldn't hit the side of a barn yard.
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